're putting huge amounts of money into the political process so they get even more tax breaks, more ability to outsource our jobs, more ability to put their money in tax havens in the cayman islands. it's not only a political issue, it's an economic issue. that is if consumers do not have the money, if the middle class and working families do not have the income to spend, how are you going to create jobs? how are you going to create jobs? >> senator, your thoughts on what policies would reduce this wide gulf of income inequality? >> let me just kick off a very few. i think what almost all economists recognize is that when real unemployment is over 14%, counting those people who have given up looking for work and are working part-time, we need to invest significant sums of money, rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure -- roads, bridges, water systems,s that transit, et cetera. second of all, given the threat of global warming, we need to invest very heavily and create jobs in weatherization, energy efficient and sustainable unreasonable. that's one area, ed, if we are aggressive, we can cre